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Moore Distorted Bush Saudi Ties
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pedro martori
2004-07-18 17:06:49 UTC
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Newsweek:
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Thursday, July 01, 2004
A central theme of Michael Moore's controversial documentary "Fahrenheit 9/11" is a bare allegation that Saudi Arabian interests provided $1.4 billion to firms connected to the family and friends of President George W. Bush.


However, as a special Newsweek investigative report notes, there is really less - not more - than meets the eye re the dramatic Moore claim:

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a.. Nearly 90 percent of that claimed amount, $1.18 billion, comes from contracts in the early to mid-1990's that the Saudi Arabian government awarded to a U.S. defense contractor, BDM, for training the country's military and National Guard. The "Bush" connection: The firm at the time was owned by the Carlyle Group, a private-equity firm whose Asian-affiliate advisory board once included the president's father, George H.W. Bush.

a.. But, points out Newsweek, former president Bush didn't join the Carlyle advisory board until April, 1998 -- five months after Carlyle had already sold BDM to another defense firm.

a.. As for the sitting president's own Carlyle link, his service on the board ended when he quit to run for Texas governor -- a few months before the first of the Saudi contracts to the unrelated BDM firm was awarded.

a.. The Carlyle Group is hardly a "Bush Inc," noted Newsweek - but rather features a roster of bipartisan Washington power figures. "Its founding and still managing partner is Howard Rubenstein, a former top domestic policy advisor to Jimmy Carter. Among the firm's senior advisors is Thomas "Mack" McLarty, Bill Clinton's former White House chief of staff, and Arthur Levitt, Clinton's former chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission. One of its other managing partners is William Cannard, Clinton's chairman of the Federal Communications Commission."


a.. According to the report, the movie neglects to offer any evidence that Bush White House intervened in any way to bolster the interests of the Carlyle Group. In fact, the one major Bush administration decision that most directly affected the company's interest was the cancellation of a $11 billion program for the Crusader rocket artillery system. The Crusader was manufactured by United Defense, which had been wholly owned by Carlyle until it spun the company off in a public offering in October, 2001. Carlyle still owned 47 percent of the shares in the defense company at the time that Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld canceled the Crusader program the following year.


a.. As Moore's dealings with the matter of the departing Saudis flown out of the United States in the days after the September 11 terror attacks, the 9/11 commission found that the FBI screened the Saudi passengers, ran their names through federal databases, interviewed 30 of them and asked many of them "detailed questions." "Nobody of interest to the FBI with regard to the 9/11 investigation was allowed to leave the country," the commission stated.

a.. The entity in the White House that approved the flights wasn't the president, or the vice president -- it was Richard Clarke, the counter-terrorism czar who was a holdover from the Clinton administration. Clarke has testified that he gave the approval conditioned on FBI clearance.




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abracadabra
2004-07-18 19:00:16 UTC
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"pedro martori" <***@progression.net> wrote in message news:***@look.ca...

Newsweek:
NewsMax Wires
Thursday, July 01, 2004
A central theme of Michael Moore's controversial documentary "Fahrenheit
9/11" is a bare allegation that Saudi Arabian

Excuse me, but was their an accusation or not?
I recall Moore asking questions, not making statements of certainty about
pay offs.
gunny
2004-07-18 22:05:18 UTC
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Post by pedro martori
NewsMax Wires
Thursday, July 01, 2004
A central theme of Michael Moore's controversial documentary "Fahrenheit
9/11" is a bare allegation that Saudi Arabian
Excuse me, but was their an accusation or not?
I recall Moore asking questions, not making statements of certainty about
pay offs.
Moore is an over inflated propaganda machine who revises history and
libels those whom he disagrees with. Geobbles did the same thing for
Nazism. Moore does it for money and Lenin.
Paul E. Lehmann
2004-07-18 22:09:27 UTC
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Post by gunny
Post by pedro martori
NewsMax Wires
Thursday, July 01, 2004
A central theme of Michael Moore's controversial documentary "Fahrenheit
9/11" is a bare allegation that Saudi Arabian
Excuse me, but was their an accusation or not?
I recall Moore asking questions, not making statements of certainty about
pay offs.
Moore is an over inflated propaganda machine who revises history and
libels those whom he disagrees with. Geobbles did the same thing for
Nazism. Moore does it for money and Lenin.
Bush UNDER played the role of James R. Bath.
Just to a google search on James R. Bath.
the ENTIRE truth is FREIGHTENING
abracadabra
2004-07-19 12:46:04 UTC
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Post by gunny
Post by pedro martori
NewsMax Wires
Thursday, July 01, 2004
A central theme of Michael Moore's controversial documentary "Fahrenheit
9/11" is a bare allegation that Saudi Arabian
Excuse me, but was their an accusation or not?
I recall Moore asking questions, not making statements of certainty about
pay offs.
Moore is an over inflated propaganda machine who revises history
List one lie told by Moore in F:911
I bet you can't

Randy Cox
2004-07-18 20:01:36 UTC
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"pedro martori" <***@progression.net> wrote in message news:***@look.ca...

Newsweek:
NewsMax Wires
Thursday, July 01, 2004
A central theme of Michael Moore's controversial documentary "Fahrenheit
9/11" is a bare allegation that Saudi Arabian interests provided $1.4
billion to firms connected to the family and friends of President George W.
Bush.


However, as a special Newsweek investigative report notes, there is really
less - not more - than meets the eye re the dramatic Moore claim:

Story Continues Below

NewsMax is known for extreme distortion. People that quote NewMax are
warped people. Lies mean nothing to them. They will say anything if it
serves their dark evil God hating purposes.



a.. Nearly 90 percent of that claimed amount, $1.18 billion, comes from
contracts in the early to mid-1990's that the Saudi Arabian government
awarded to a U.S. defense contractor, BDM, for training the country's
military and National Guard. The "Bush" connection: The firm at the time was
owned by the Carlyle Group, a private-equity firm whose Asian-affiliate
advisory board once included the president's father, George H.W. Bush.

So what? Just shows a long term connection between the Bushes and the
Saudis.

a.. But, points out Newsweek, former president Bush didn't join the Carlyle
advisory board until April, 1998 -- five months after Carlyle had already
sold BDM to another defense firm.

There have been connections between the Bush family and the Bin Laden family
for decades. Titles come and go. These people have many ways to feather
each others bed. Remember, Bin Laden financed the failure prone George W.
time after time to keep him looking like a real human being when he was
really just a drunk party boy!

a.. As for the sitting president's own Carlyle link, his service on the
board ended when he quit to run for Texas governor -- a few months before
the first of the Saudi contracts to the unrelated BDM firm was awarded.

So what? They come and go officially. Cheney wasn't officially employed by
Halliburton but he continued to channel billions in unbid contracts their
way. After his office is over, he'll return in some fashion visible or
invisible to the Hallibuton teat! Same way with the Bush family. Their
postions go from visible to invisible but the money keeps rolling in and the
political favors continue to happen. It is the way it works for these
bluebloods with loyalities to class above those of country.

a.. The Carlyle Group is hardly a "Bush Inc," noted Newsweek - but rather
features a roster of bipartisan Washington power figures. "Its founding and
still managing partner is Howard Rubenstein, a former top domestic policy
advisor to Jimmy Carter. Among the firm's senior advisors is Thomas "Mack"
McLarty, Bill Clinton's former White House chief of staff, and Arthur
Levitt, Clinton's former chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission.
One of its other managing partners is William Cannard, Clinton's chairman of
the Federal Communications Commission."

Duh! The whole basis of a privite corporation is to join forces with others
be it capital or influence. Nothing in this rebuttal takes away from the
involvment of the Bush's in Carlyle Group. That is what the Group part
means, others in conspiricy with the Bushes.


a.. According to the report, the movie neglects to offer any evidence that
Bush White House intervened in any way to bolster the interests of the
Carlyle Group. In fact, the one major Bush administration decision that most
directly affected the company's interest was the cancellation of a $11
billion program for the Crusader rocket artillery system. The Crusader was
manufactured by United Defense, which had been wholly owned by Carlyle until
it spun the company off in a public offering in October, 2001. Carlyle still
owned 47 percent of the shares in the defense company at the time that
Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld canceled the Crusader program the
following year.

If you are standing there with an evil grin on your face, a knife in your
hand, and that knife in my back while you twist it, there is no need for
evidence of your intervention in my demise. Bush intervened many times as
the world process tried to guide the course of action to peace other than
war with Iraq. Bush lied about the facts, made promises and threats to the
United Nations, broke promises, and bribed tiny little fifth world nations
to send a man or two to Iraq after the war was over to build a phony
coilition. He intervened in weapon's inspectors work to announce Shock and
Awe. Every diabolical manuever Bush made to pre-emtively attack Iraq was
an intervention that resulted in profits for the Carlyle group. When this
is all over, we will see fortunes of reconstruction money channeled from
American tax payers pockets to front companies of the Ben Ladin family
construction business.


a.. As Moore's dealings with the matter of the departing Saudis flown out of
the United States in the days after the September 11 terror attacks, the
9/11 commission found that the FBI screened the Saudi passengers, ran their
names through federal databases, interviewed 30 of them and asked many of
them "detailed questions." "Nobody of interest to the FBI with regard to the
9/11 investigation was allowed to leave the country," the commission stated.

A simple twisting of words from "nobody of interest to the FBI" becomes "the
FBI was interested in nobody" of the Saudi passengers allowed to fly away
while Americans walked or hid in rooms of plastic and duct tape.

a.. The entity in the White House that approved the flights wasn't the
president, or the vice president -- it was Richard Clarke, the
counter-terrorism czar who was a holdover from the Clinton administration.
Clarke has testified that he gave the approval conditioned on FBI clearance.

Bush wanted the job as President. The Supreme Court appointed him. He is
President. Whatever anyone in the executive branch does or says, he does or
says. If he doesn't authorize a particular statement or action, he should
disavow and fire them. He has done neither, therefore he is fully
responsible for that action. Besides that, if you read the testimony of
Clarke you will see him say that everything he did was approved by the White
House. When the White House signs off on something a member of the
administration does, then that action becomes an action of the Presidents.

If Bush doesn't like the responsibility, let him resign! Otherwise let him
take responsibility like the man he never was!

Randy R. Cox
Paul E. Lehmann
2004-07-19 00:05:09 UTC
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Post by pedro martori
NewsMax Wires
Thursday, July 01, 2004
A central theme of Michael Moore's controversial documentary "Fahrenheit
9/11" is a bare allegation that Saudi Arabian interests provided $1.4
billion to firms connected to the family and friends of President George
W. Bush.
However, as a special Newsweek investigative report notes, there is really
Bush UNDER played the role of James R. Bath.
Just to a google search on James R. Bath.
the ENTIRE truth is FREIGHTENING
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