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Muhammed - The Pedophile
by ArKLyte

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64: Sahih Bukhari Aisha: that the Prophet married
her when she was six
years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and
then she remained with
him for nine years (i.e. till his death).

The intervals between prayers are used for quick stands "I used to wash the
traces of Janaba
(semen) from the clothes of the Prophet and he used to go for prayers while
traces of water were
still on it."

From Khomeini's book, "Tahrirolvasyleh", fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom,
Iran,
1990 : A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby.
However he should not
penetrate, sodomising the child is OK. If the man penetrates and damages the
child then he
should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however
does not count as
one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the
girls sister.
[...] It is better for a girl to marry in such a time when she would begin
menstruation at
her husband's house rather than her father's home. Any father marrying his
daughter so young
will have a permanent place in heaven. How it all began ( a long time ago in
the isolated
deserts of Arabia) : Already, when Aisha (the daughter of Abu Bakr,
Mohammad's closest friend
and unquestioning ally) was about 4-5 years old Muhammad started dreaming of
a union with her
[Ref: SAHIH BUKHARI, 5:235] and he wasted no time in realizing his dreams,
inspite of the
fact that object of his dreams was a mere child.Perhaps you want to assume
that it is
"normal" for a 50+ year old man to dream of marrying a 4-5 old child, and
then ACTUALLY ask
for her hand at 6?

Is it normal for an oversexed old man (Muhammad had over 9 wives and
concubines) to dream of a union
with a 4-5 year old girl?

Muhammad ( SAW ) was basically oversexed, his sexual relationship with Aisha
is a special case,
which fits his strong need for a larger latitude to satisfy his sexual urge,
as is witnessed by:

"The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and
night and they were eleven
in number." I asked Anas, "Had the Prophet the strength for it?" Anas
replied, "We used to say that
the Prophet was given the strength of thirty (men)." And Sa'id said on the
authority of Qatada that
Anas had told him about nine wives only (not eleven)." [Bukhari.1:268]

When she was 6, Muhammad asked Abu Bakr, Aisha's father, for her hand. Abu
Bakr thought it was
improper, because, as he said "I am your brother"; Muhammad brushed aside
Abu Bakr's reservation by
saying that it was perfectly lawful for him to marry Aisha [ Ref: SAHIH
BUKHAR I7:18].

What happened to " there is no compulsion in matters of religion ?" Anyway
what compulsion did
Muhhammad need being a prophet his word was law, he restricted men to only
four wives when he
himself had more than four, that was a convenient exemption for Muhhammad.

So, Aisha was betrothed to Muhammad, and 3 years later, i.e. when Aisha was
9, the marriage was
consumed. And Muhammad was 53 then [SAHIH BUKHARI
1991:236,7:64,7:65,7:88] .

The 3 year waiting period probably had to do with the fact that at that time
Aisha had contracted
some disease, whereby she, temporarily lost her hair. Aisha was then
socially and psychologically
still a child as is evidenced by the fact that she was still given to her
toys, she was unaware of
what was happening around her, and her playmates behave as would the
children at present times
[Sahih Bukhari 8:151,5:234].

Aisha became Muhammad's favourite wife. And the sexuality in the
relationship was predominant [
SAHIH BUKHARI .1.270, 3:36, 7:6, 3:148, 3:149, 3:150, 7:142, IbnSa'd
1pg165 ]. Later, Aisha was to
be called the "mother of believers". If you are wandering, yes, the
relationship was pedophilic.
When did the sexual relations between Prophet Mohammad and his child bride
begin?

Unfortunately we do not have any video recordings of such events. Neither
can we expect that there
would be any explicit statements regarding this. In any case it is certain
that she had NOT reached
puberty when she moved into Muhammad's house, which in itself, contrary to
the prevailing social
norms, is a tacit implication that he may indulge in whatever fantasies he
may have had when he
asked for Aisha's hand. And Muhammad did have fantasies.

Volume 8, Book 73, Number 151: Narrated 'Aisha: I used to play with the
dolls in the presence of
the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's
Apostle used to enter (my
dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, BUT the Prophet would call
them to join and play
with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it
was allowed for
'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of
puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari
page 143, Vol.13)

It is, however, very unlikely that Muhammad would have waited for the onset
of the menses; or at
most it could have been just after the 1st drops. The evidence is
necessarily indirect.

# His strong desire to "graze of the (tree) of which nothing has been eaten
before", as his other wives had not been virgins.

# Menses or fasting do not reduce Muhammad's desire and potency for sex. His
nightly rounds to his wives(lastly 12-13) did require more than average
potency.

# New additions to his harem lead to intensive sexual activity, e.g. arrival
of
Maria lead to increased, initial spurt of sexual activity to the neglect of
others .

# The intervals between prayers are used for quick stands "I used to wash
the
traces of Janaba (semen) from the clothes of the Prophet and he used to go
for prayers while traces
of water were still on it."

# Other wives try to please Muhammad by sacrificing their turns in favor of
Aisha.

# During his last fatal illness he cries: "Where will I be tomorrow? Where
will
I be tomorrow?", seeking Aisha's turn.

Prophet Say: Marry Young Virgins Volume 7, Book 62, Number 17: Narrated
Jabir bin 'Abdullah: When I
got married, Allah's Apostle said to me, "What type of lady have you
married?" I replied, "I have
married a matron' He said, "Why, don't you have a liking for the young
virgins and for fondling
them?" Jabir also said: Allah's Apostle said, "Why didn't you marry a young
girl so that you might
play with her and she with you?'

Silent Children : Volume 7, Book 62, Number 67: Narrated Abu Huraira: The
Prophet said, "A matron
should not be given in marriage except after consulting her; and a virgin
should not be given in
marriage except after her permission." The people asked, "O Allah's Apostle!
How can we know her
permission?" He said, "Her silence (indicates her permission)."

Where sex is akin to a crime, silence is admission of your guilt. What a
corruption of "fitrah" (
human nature).

What religion condones the destruction of childhood? What are we who daily
avow our undying love for
Allah to do against a system that ruthlessly oppresses its youngest and
brightest ?

What was Aisha's age? I have heard other figures ... (A question also known
as: How many of your own
sources will you deny ? ) All the relevant sources (Bukhari, Ibn Hisham,
Tabari, Ibn al-Athir, Ibn
Sa'd, Ibn Hanbal, etc.) maintain that Aisha was bethroted to Mohammed when
she was 6, and the
marraige was consummated 3 years later.

'Mahommad - The Word of Allah' written by Anne-Marie Delcambre. (Anne-Marie
Delcambre has a
doctorate in 'Islamology', and taught Islamic Civilisation at the Saint
Joseph University of
Beyrouth in Lebanon). On page 69, it says that he was married to her when
she was 9 years old.

Dates commonly accepted by scholars: Birth Muhammad(570), birth Aisha(614 or
1992). Bethrothal(620 or 621), Consummation of marriage(623 or 624). In
particular the
"consummation" of marriage is said to have taken place after the hidjra in
Shawwal 1 or 2.
Between 621 and 623 Asiha is said to have contracted a disease whereby she
temporarily lost her
hair. (Ref 1)

She could not have been more than 10 years when she went to live in
Muhammad's house. The fact that
she took her toys with her to her new home indicates that she was
psychologically and socially still
a child. And the fact that she was allowed to play with DOLLS indicates that
she had NOT reached
puberty by this time. ("The playing with the dolls and similar images
was(is) forbidden, but it was
allowed for Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached
the age of puberty."Fateh-al-
Bari page 143, Vol.13). Besides, there is also Aisha's own statement which
implies that she had NOT
reached puberty when she moved into Muhammad's house[Sahih Bukhari 7.163]. I
am sure she would have
been able to recount accurately as to when and where she got her first
menses. Most girls do
remember such events rather accurately. (Refs 2)

What is "sick" is that Muhammad had started to dream of a union with Aisha
already when she was 4-5
years old: "You were shown to me twice (in my dream) before I married
you...(and) I said (to
myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen." He was to use a
similar tactic when he wanted
to marry his step son's wife. A tactic which Aisha later came to understand
as fraud, as in: "Aisha
said: O Allah's Apostle! I do not see, but, that your Lord hurries in
pleasing you." (Refs 2)

Muhammad wasted no time in realizing what he had been dreaming. Already when
Aisha was 6 "The
Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I
am your brother." The
Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she
(Aisha) is lawful for me
to marry." Here it does not seem that Abu Bakr consented to the marriage
wholeheartedly.

REFERENCES (1) Les femmes du Prophete Prof.Magali Morsi, Professor of
History, University of
Muhammed V, Rabat, Morocco.
(1993) Shahih Bukhari: [1.229] [1.230] [1.231] [1.232] [1.233] [1.258]
[1.263]
[1993.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1]
[1993.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1]
[1993.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.2]
* "And if a woman is sexually mature I see nothing wrong with her marriage
in general, with a man of
any age... "- A muslim. For those Muslims who approve of the above statement
( and hold similar
views ): Would you let your daughters go through this ?

" Two iraqi men, aged 28 amd 34, who live in lincoln, nebraska, married two
iraqi girls, aged 13 and
14, in a private Islamic ceremony attended by family and friends. The two
men have been arrested,
charged with the sexual assault of a child and could be sentenced to 50
years of prison because the
marriage age in nebraska is at least 17 years of age. Their attorney argued
that the men didn't know
about the law and that they were merely following their religious custom of
courtship and marriage.
Do they really do such things in today's Iraq? " - Abdul Abdi

Pedophile ?

What are the essential features of pedophilia.? Professors of psychiatry,
Harold I.Kaplan MD and
Benjamin J.Sadock MD. of New York University Medical School states the
essential features to
diagnose pedophilia are:

1.Identification with and narcissistic investment in immature sexual
objects. Muhammad's infatuation
and relationship with Aisha fits this criterion. And Mohammad was vain too -
he liked to use
perfume and dye his hair (even as an old man).

2. Control, domination and seduction of children. A slight recalcitrance on
the part of his wives
was met by intolerant threats like: "if he (Muhammad) divorce you, (Allah)
will give him in your
place wives better than you, submissive, faithful, obedient, penitent,
adorers, fasters, widows
and virgins." [K 66.5]

3. Sexual activity with children is preferential and occur repeatedly. Aisha
was ever present, right
up to his last fatal breath and he preferred spending his nights with her.
Aisha became
Muhammad's favorites wife. And the sexuality in the relationship was
predominant. [Sahih Bukhari
4.270,3:36,7:6,3:148,3:149,3:150,7:142,IbnSa'd 1pg165]

Is menses necessary indicator of sexual maturity ? Sexual maturity is NOT
PURELY RELATED TO MENSES
as for some peculiar reasons many Muslims have tried to say.

In the first place having or not having menses is not the criterion for
sexual maturity, and thus of
pedophilic behaviour. We have cases here, of abducted girls, 12, 13, 14,
well past their mens, and
yet preferred by pedophiles as sexual objects.

Besides when Aisha was about 4-5 years old Muhammad started dreaming of a
union with her [Sahih
Bukhari 5:235]- I am sure Ayesha was not menstruating then . Or do Arab
girls menstruate at the
age of 4-5 ?

Chapter Al-Imran

5:104 Let there arise out of you a Nation of people inviting to all that is
good (Islam),
enjoying Al-Ma'ruf (i.e. Islamic Monotheism & all that Islam orders one to
do) and forbidding
Al-Munkar (Polytheism & all that Islam has forbiden), And it is they who are
the successful.

6:105 And be not as those who divided and differed after the clear proofs
had come to
them.(Allowing homosexuality & all kind of immoralities). It is they for
whom there is an
awful torment.

7:106 On the Day (Djugement Day) when some faces will become white and some
faces will become
black; as for those whose faces will become black (To them will be
said):"Did you reject Faith
after accepting it? Then taste the torment (in Hell) for rejecting it.

8:107 And for those whose faces will become white, they will be in Allah's
Mercy (Paradise),
therein they shall dwell forever.

9:108 These are the verses of Allah; We recite them to you (O Muhammad) in
truth, and Allah wills
no injustice to Al-Alamin (Mankind & Jinn world).
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Hate is that evil State of mind Which feeds the worst In human kind Edgar A.
Guest (1881 - 1959) American author & poet

A man's hatred is always concentrated upon that which makes him conscious of
his bad qualities. = Carl Gustav Jung (1875 - 1961) Swiss psychiatrist

Hate is always tragic. It is as injurious to the hater as it is the hated. It
distorts the personality and scars to the soul. As a race we must work
passionately and unrelentingly for first - class citizenship, but we must never
use second - class methods to gain it. = Martin Luther King, Jr. (1929 - 1968)
American civil rights leader

Hatred is the coward's revenge for being intimidated. = George Bernard Shaw
(1856 - 1950) English dramatist & critic

Learn more at this site:
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THOSE WHO PREACH HATE, ARE LIKELY TO BE VICTIMS OF HATE

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The only hate preacher around here are your islamic mullahs.
Your great prophet married a 6 year old girl, he was a pedophile pure and
simple.
http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/muhtpammed.htm
Muhammed - The Pedophile
by ArKLyte

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64: Sahih Bukhari Aisha: that the Prophet married
her when she was six
years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and
then she remained with
him for nine years (i.e. till his death).

The intervals between prayers are used for quick stands "I used to wash the
traces of Janaba
(semen) from the clothes of the Prophet and he used to go for prayers while
traces of water were
still on it."

From Khomeini's book, "Tahrirolvasyleh", fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom,
Iran,
1990 : A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby.
However he should not
penetrate, sodomising the child is OK. If the man penetrates and damages the
child then he
should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however
does not count as
one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the
girls sister.
[...] It is better for a girl to marry in such a time when she would begin
menstruation at
her husband's house rather than her father's home. Any father marrying his
daughter so young
will have a permanent place in heaven. How it all began ( a long time ago in
the isolated
deserts of Arabia) : Already, when Aisha (the daughter of Abu Bakr,
Mohammad's closest friend
and unquestioning ally) was about 4-5 years old Muhammad started dreaming of
a union with her
[Ref: SAHIH BUKHARI, 5:235] and he wasted no time in realizing his dreams,
inspite of the
fact that object of his dreams was a mere child.Perhaps you want to assume
that it is
"normal" for a 50+ year old man to dream of marrying a 4-5 old child, and
then ACTUALLY ask
for her hand at 6?

Is it normal for an oversexed old man (Muhammad had over 9 wives and
concubines) to dream of a union
with a 4-5 year old girl?

Muhammad ( SAW ) was basically oversexed, his sexual relationship with Aisha
is a special case,
which fits his strong need for a larger latitude to satisfy his sexual urge,
as is witnessed by:

"The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and
night and they were eleven
in number." I asked Anas, "Had the Prophet the strength for it?" Anas
replied, "We used to say that
the Prophet was given the strength of thirty (men)." And Sa'id said on the
authority of Qatada that
Anas had told him about nine wives only (not eleven)." [Bukhari.1:268]

When she was 6, Muhammad asked Abu Bakr, Aisha's father, for her hand. Abu
Bakr thought it was
improper, because, as he said "I am your brother"; Muhammad brushed aside
Abu Bakr's reservation by
saying that it was perfectly lawful for him to marry Aisha [ Ref: SAHIH
BUKHAR I7:18].

What happened to " there is no compulsion in matters of religion ?" Anyway
what compulsion did
Muhhammad need being a prophet his word was law, he restricted men to only
four wives when he
himself had more than four, that was a convenient exemption for Muhhammad.

So, Aisha was betrothed to Muhammad, and 3 years later, i.e. when Aisha was
9, the marriage was
consumed. And Muhammad was 53 then [SAHIH BUKHARI
1991:236,7:64,7:65,7:88] .

The 3 year waiting period probably had to do with the fact that at that time
Aisha had contracted
some disease, whereby she, temporarily lost her hair. Aisha was then
socially and psychologically
still a child as is evidenced by the fact that she was still given to her
toys, she was unaware of
what was happening around her, and her playmates behave as would the
children at present times
[Sahih Bukhari 8:151,5:234].

Aisha became Muhammad's favourite wife. And the sexuality in the
relationship was predominant [
SAHIH BUKHARI .1.270, 3:36, 7:6, 3:148, 3:149, 3:150, 7:142, IbnSa'd
1pg165 ]. Later, Aisha was to
be called the "mother of believers". If you are wandering, yes, the
relationship was pedophilic.
When did the sexual relations between Prophet Mohammad and his child bride
begin?

Unfortunately we do not have any video recordings of such events. Neither
can we expect that there
would be any explicit statements regarding this. In any case it is certain
that she had NOT reached
puberty when she moved into Muhammad's house, which in itself, contrary to
the prevailing social
norms, is a tacit implication that he may indulge in whatever fantasies he
may have had when he
asked for Aisha's hand. And Muhammad did have fantasies.

Volume 8, Book 73, Number 151: Narrated 'Aisha: I used to play with the
dolls in the presence of
the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's
Apostle used to enter (my
dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, BUT the Prophet would call
them to join and play
with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it
was allowed for
'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of
puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari
page 143, Vol.13)

It is, however, very unlikely that Muhammad would have waited for the onset
of the menses; or at
most it could have been just after the 1st drops. The evidence is
necessarily indirect.

# His strong desire to "graze of the (tree) of which nothing has been eaten
before", as his other wives had not been virgins.

# Menses or fasting do not reduce Muhammad's desire and potency for sex. His
nightly rounds to his wives(lastly 12-13) did require more than average
potency.

# New additions to his harem lead to intensive sexual activity, e.g. arrival
of
Maria lead to increased, initial spurt of sexual activity to the neglect of
others .

# The intervals between prayers are used for quick stands "I used to wash
the
traces of Janaba (semen) from the clothes of the Prophet and he used to go
for prayers while traces
of water were still on it."

# Other wives try to please Muhammad by sacrificing their turns in favor of
Aisha.

# During his last fatal illness he cries: "Where will I be tomorrow? Where
will
I be tomorrow?", seeking Aisha's turn.

Prophet Say: Marry Young Virgins Volume 7, Book 62, Number 17: Narrated
Jabir bin 'Abdullah: When I
got married, Allah's Apostle said to me, "What type of lady have you
married?" I replied, "I have
married a matron' He said, "Why, don't you have a liking for the young
virgins and for fondling
them?" Jabir also said: Allah's Apostle said, "Why didn't you marry a young
girl so that you might
play with her and she with you?'

Silent Children : Volume 7, Book 62, Number 67: Narrated Abu Huraira: The
Prophet said, "A matron
should not be given in marriage except after consulting her; and a virgin
should not be given in
marriage except after her permission." The people asked, "O Allah's Apostle!
How can we know her
permission?" He said, "Her silence (indicates her permission)."

Where sex is akin to a crime, silence is admission of your guilt. What a
corruption of "fitrah" (
human nature).

What religion condones the destruction of childhood? What are we who daily
avow our undying love for
Allah to do against a system that ruthlessly oppresses its youngest and
brightest ?

What was Aisha's age? I have heard other figures ... (A question also known
as: How many of your own
sources will you deny ? ) All the relevant sources (Bukhari, Ibn Hisham,
Tabari, Ibn al-Athir, Ibn
Sa'd, Ibn Hanbal, etc.) maintain that Aisha was bethroted to Mohammed when
she was 6, and the
marraige was consummated 3 years later.

'Mahommad - The Word of Allah' written by Anne-Marie Delcambre. (Anne-Marie
Delcambre has a
doctorate in 'Islamology', and taught Islamic Civilisation at the Saint
Joseph University of
Beyrouth in Lebanon). On page 69, it says that he was married to her when
she was 9 years old.

Dates commonly accepted by scholars: Birth Muhammad(570), birth Aisha(614 or
1992). Bethrothal(620 or 621), Consummation of marriage(623 or 624). In
particular the
"consummation" of marriage is said to have taken place after the hidjra in
Shawwal 1 or 2.
Between 621 and 623 Asiha is said to have contracted a disease whereby she
temporarily lost her
hair. (Ref 1)

She could not have been more than 10 years when she went to live in
Muhammad's house. The fact that
she took her toys with her to her new home indicates that she was
psychologically and socially still
a child. And the fact that she was allowed to play with DOLLS indicates that
she had NOT reached
puberty by this time. ("The playing with the dolls and similar images
was(is) forbidden, but it was
allowed for Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached
the age of puberty."Fateh-al-
Bari page 143, Vol.13). Besides, there is also Aisha's own statement which
implies that she had NOT
reached puberty when she moved into Muhammad's house[Sahih Bukhari 7.163]. I
am sure she would have
been able to recount accurately as to when and where she got her first
menses. Most girls do
remember such events rather accurately. (Refs 2)

What is "sick" is that Muhammad had started to dream of a union with Aisha
already when she was 4-5
years old: "You were shown to me twice (in my dream) before I married
you...(and) I said (to
myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen." He was to use a
similar tactic when he wanted
to marry his step son's wife. A tactic which Aisha later came to understand
as fraud, as in: "Aisha
said: O Allah's Apostle! I do not see, but, that your Lord hurries in
pleasing you." (Refs 2)

Muhammad wasted no time in realizing what he had been dreaming. Already when
Aisha was 6 "The
Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I
am your brother." The
Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she
(Aisha) is lawful for me
to marry." Here it does not seem that Abu Bakr consented to the marriage
wholeheartedly.

REFERENCES (1) Les femmes du Prophete Prof.Magali Morsi, Professor of
History, University of
Muhammed V, Rabat, Morocco.
(1993) Shahih Bukhari: [1.229] [1.230] [1.231] [1.232] [1.233] [1.258]
[1.263]
[1993.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1]
[1993.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1]
[1993.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.2]
* "And if a woman is sexually mature I see nothing wrong with her marriage
in general, with a man of
any age... "- A muslim. For those Muslims who approve of the above statement
( and hold similar
views ): Would you let your daughters go through this ?

" Two iraqi men, aged 28 amd 34, who live in lincoln, nebraska, married two
iraqi girls, aged 13 and
14, in a private Islamic ceremony attended by family and friends. The two
men have been arrested,
charged with the sexual assault of a child and could be sentenced to 50
years of prison because the
marriage age in nebraska is at least 17 years of age. Their attorney argued
that the men didn't know
about the law and that they were merely following their religious custom of
courtship and marriage.
Do they really do such things in today's Iraq? " - Abdul Abdi

Pedophile ?

What are the essential features of pedophilia.? Professors of psychiatry,
Harold I.Kaplan MD and
Benjamin J.Sadock MD. of New York University Medical School states the
essential features to
diagnose pedophilia are:

1.Identification with and narcissistic investment in immature sexual
objects. Muhammad's infatuation
and relationship with Aisha fits this criterion. And Mohammad was vain too -
he liked to use
perfume and dye his hair (even as an old man).

2. Control, domination and seduction of children. A slight recalcitrance on
the part of his wives
was met by intolerant threats like: "if he (Muhammad) divorce you, (Allah)
will give him in your
place wives better than you, submissive, faithful, obedient, penitent,
adorers, fasters, widows
and virgins." [K 66.5]

3. Sexual activity with children is preferential and occur repeatedly. Aisha
was ever present, right
up to his last fatal breath and he preferred spending his nights with her.
Aisha became
Muhammad's favorites wife. And the sexuality in the relationship was
predominant. [Sahih Bukhari
4.270,3:36,7:6,3:148,3:149,3:150,7:142,IbnSa'd 1pg165]

Is menses necessary indicator of sexual maturity ? Sexual maturity is NOT
PURELY RELATED TO MENSES
as for some peculiar reasons many Muslims have tried to say.

In the first place having or not having menses is not the criterion for
sexual maturity, and thus of
pedophilic behaviour. We have cases here, of abducted girls, 12, 13, 14,
well past their mens, and
yet preferred by pedophiles as sexual objects.

Besides when Aisha was about 4-5 years old Muhammad started dreaming of a
union with her [Sahih
Bukhari 5:235]- I am sure Ayesha was not menstruating then . Or do Arab
girls menstruate at the
age of 4-5 ?

Chapter Al-Imran

5:104 Let there arise out of you a Nation of people inviting to all that is
good (Islam),
enjoying Al-Ma'ruf (i.e. Islamic Monotheism & all that Islam orders one to
do) and forbidding
Al-Munkar (Polytheism & all that Islam has forbiden), And it is they who are
the successful.

6:105 And be not as those who divided and differed after the clear proofs
had come to
them.(Allowing homosexuality & all kind of immoralities). It is they for
whom there is an
awful torment.

7:106 On the Day (Djugement Day) when some faces will become white and some
faces will become
black; as for those whose faces will become black (To them will be
said):"Did you reject Faith
after accepting it? Then taste the torment (in Hell) for rejecting it.

8:107 And for those whose faces will become white, they will be in Allah's
Mercy (Paradise),
therein they shall dwell forever.

9:108 These are the verses of Allah; We recite them to you (O Muhammad) in
truth, and Allah wills
no injustice to Al-Alamin (Mankind & Jinn world).
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Muhammed - The Pedophile
by ArKLyte
Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64: Sahih Bukhari Aisha: that the Prophet married
her when she was six
years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and
then she remained with
him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
The intervals between prayers are used for quick stands "I used to wash the
traces of Janaba
(semen) from the clothes of the Prophet and he used to go for prayers while
traces of water were
still on it."
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Because they are the truth.
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Muhammed - The Pedophile
by ArKLyte
Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64: Sahih Bukhari Aisha: that the Prophet
married her when she was six
years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old,
and then she remained with
him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
The intervals between prayers are used for quick stands "I used to
wash the traces of Janaba
(semen) from the clothes of the Prophet and he used to go for prayers
while traces of water were
still on it."
From Khomeini's book, "Tahrirolvasyleh", fourth volume, Darol Elm,
Gom, Iran,
1990 : A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby.
However he should not
penetrate, sodomising the child is OK. If the man penetrates and
damages the child then he
should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl,
however does not count as
one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry
the girls sister.
[...] It is better for a girl to marry in such a time when she would
begin menstruation at
her husband's house rather than her father's home. Any father marrying
his daughter so young
will have a permanent place in heaven. How it all began ( a long time
ago in the isolated
deserts of Arabia) : Already, when Aisha (the daughter of Abu Bakr,
Mohammad's closest friend
and unquestioning ally) was about 4-5 years old Muhammad started
dreaming of a union with her
[Ref: SAHIH BUKHARI, 5:235] and he wasted no time in realizing his
dreams, inspite of the
fact that object of his dreams was a mere child.Perhaps you want to
assume that it is
"normal" for a 50+ year old man to dream of marrying a 4-5 old child,
and then ACTUALLY ask
for her hand at 6?
Is it normal for an oversexed old man (Muhammad had over 9 wives and
concubines) to dream of a union
with a 4-5 year old girl?
Muhammad ( SAW ) was basically oversexed, his sexual relationship with
Aisha is a special case,
which fits his strong need for a larger latitude to satisfy his sexual
"The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day
and night and they were eleven
in number." I asked Anas, "Had the Prophet the strength for it?" Anas
replied, "We used to say that
the Prophet was given the strength of thirty (men)." And Sa'id said on
the authority of Qatada that
Anas had told him about nine wives only (not eleven)." [Bukhari.1:268]
When she was 6, Muhammad asked Abu Bakr, Aisha's father, for her hand.
Abu Bakr thought it was
improper, because, as he said "I am your brother"; Muhammad brushed
aside Abu Bakr's reservation by
SAHIH BUKHAR I7:18].
What happened to " there is no compulsion in matters of religion ?"
Anyway what compulsion did
Muhhammad need being a prophet his word was law, he restricted men to
only four wives when he
himself had more than four, that was a convenient exemption for Muhhammad.
So, Aisha was betrothed to Muhammad, and 3 years later, i.e. when
Aisha was 9, the marriage was
consumed. And Muhammad was 53 then [SAHIH BUKHARI
1991:236,7:64,7:65,7:88] .
The 3 year waiting period probably had to do with the fact that at
that time Aisha had contracted
some disease, whereby she, temporarily lost her hair. Aisha was then
socially and psychologically
still a child as is evidenced by the fact that she was still given to
her toys, she was unaware of
what was happening around her, and her playmates behave as would the
children at present times
[Sahih Bukhari 8:151,5:234].
Aisha became Muhammad's favourite wife. And the sexuality in the
relationship was predominant [
SAHIH BUKHARI .1.270, 3:36, 7:6, 3:148, 3:149, 3:150, 7:142, IbnSa'd
1pg165 ]. Later, Aisha was to
be called the "mother of believers". If you are wandering, yes, the
relationship was pedophilic.
When did the sexual relations between Prophet Mohammad and his child
bride begin?
Unfortunately we do not have any video recordings of such events.
Neither can we expect that there
would be any explicit statements regarding this. In any case it is
certain that she had NOT reached
puberty when she moved into Muhammad's house, which in itself,
contrary to the prevailing social
norms, is a tacit implication that he may indulge in whatever
fantasies he may have had when he
asked for Aisha's hand. And Muhammad did have fantasies.
Volume 8, Book 73, Number 151: Narrated 'Aisha: I used to play with
the dolls in the presence of
the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When
Allah's Apostle used to enter (my
dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, BUT the Prophet would
call them to join and play
with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden,
but it was allowed for
'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age
of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari
page 143, Vol.13)
It is, however, very unlikely that Muhammad would have waited for the
onset of the menses; or at
most it could have been just after the 1st drops. The evidence is
necessarily indirect.
# His strong desire to "graze of the (tree) of which nothing has been
eaten before", as his other wives had not been virgins.
# Menses or fasting do not reduce Muhammad's desire and potency for
sex. His nightly rounds to his wives(lastly 12-13) did require more
than average potency.
# New additions to his harem lead to intensive sexual activity, e.g.
arrival of
Maria lead to increased, initial spurt of sexual activity to the
neglect of others .
# The intervals between prayers are used for quick stands "I used to
wash the
traces of Janaba (semen) from the clothes of the Prophet and he used
to go for prayers while traces
of water were still on it."
# Other wives try to please Muhammad by sacrificing their turns in
favor of Aisha.
# During his last fatal illness he cries: "Where will I be tomorrow?
Where will
I be tomorrow?", seeking Aisha's turn.
Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: When I
got married, Allah's Apostle said to me, "What type of lady have you
married?" I replied, "I have
married a matron' He said, "Why, don't you have a liking for the young
virgins and for fondling
them?" Jabir also said: Allah's Apostle said, "Why didn't you marry a
young girl so that you might
play with her and she with you?'
The Prophet said, "A matron
should not be given in marriage except after consulting her; and a
virgin should not be given in
marriage except after her permission." The people asked, "O Allah's
Apostle! How can we know her
permission?" He said, "Her silence (indicates her permission)."
Where sex is akin to a crime, silence is admission of your guilt. What
a corruption of "fitrah" (
human nature).
What religion condones the destruction of childhood? What are we who
daily avow our undying love for
Allah to do against a system that ruthlessly oppresses its youngest
and brightest ?
What was Aisha's age? I have heard other figures ... (A question also
known as: How many of your own
sources will you deny ? ) All the relevant sources (Bukhari, Ibn
Hisham, Tabari, Ibn al-Athir, Ibn
Sa'd, Ibn Hanbal, etc.) maintain that Aisha was bethroted to Mohammed
when she was 6, and the
marraige was consummated 3 years later.
'Mahommad - The Word of Allah' written by Anne-Marie Delcambre.
(Anne-Marie Delcambre has a
doctorate in 'Islamology', and taught Islamic Civilisation at the
Saint Joseph University of
Beyrouth in Lebanon). On page 69, it says that he was married to her
when she was 9 years old.
Dates commonly accepted by scholars: Birth Muhammad(570), birth
Aisha(614 or 1992). Bethrothal(620 or 621), Consummation of
marriage(623 or 624). In particular the
"consummation" of marriage is said to have taken place after the
hidjra in Shawwal 1 or 2.
Between 621 and 623 Asiha is said to have contracted a disease whereby
she temporarily lost her
hair. (Ref 1)
She could not have been more than 10 years when she went to live in
Muhammad's house. The fact that
she took her toys with her to her new home indicates that she was
psychologically and socially still
a child. And the fact that she was allowed to play with DOLLS
indicates that she had NOT reached
puberty by this time. ("The playing with the dolls and similar images
was(is) forbidden, but it was
allowed for Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet
reached the age of puberty."Fateh-al-
Bari page 143, Vol.13). Besides, there is also Aisha's own statement
which implies that she had NOT
reached puberty when she moved into Muhammad's house[Sahih Bukhari
7.163]. I am sure she would have
been able to recount accurately as to when and where she got her first
menses. Most girls do
remember such events rather accurately. (Refs 2)
What is "sick" is that Muhammad had started to dream of a union with
Aisha already when she was 4-5
years old: "You were shown to me twice (in my dream) before I married
you...(and) I said (to
myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen." He was to use a
similar tactic when he wanted
to marry his step son's wife. A tactic which Aisha later came to
understand as fraud, as in: "Aisha
said: O Allah's Apostle! I do not see, but, that your Lord hurries in
pleasing you." (Refs 2)
Muhammad wasted no time in realizing what he had been dreaming.
Already when Aisha was 6 "The
Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said
"But I am your brother." The
Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book,
but she (Aisha) is lawful for me
to marry." Here it does not seem that Abu Bakr consented to the
marriage wholeheartedly.
REFERENCES (1) Les femmes du Prophete Prof.Magali Morsi, Professor of
History, University of
Muhammed V, Rabat, Morocco.
(1993) Shahih Bukhari: [1.229] [1.230] [1.231] [1.232] [1.233] [1.258]
[1.263]
[1993.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1]
[1993.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1]
[1993.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.1] [1.2]
* "And if a woman is sexually mature I see nothing wrong with her
marriage in general, with a man of
any age... "- A muslim. For those Muslims who approve of the above
statement ( and hold similar
views ): Would you let your daughters go through this ?
" Two iraqi men, aged 28 amd 34, who live in lincoln, nebraska,
married two iraqi girls, aged 13 and
14, in a private Islamic ceremony attended by family and friends. The
two men have been arrested,
charged with the sexual assault of a child and could be sentenced to
50 years of prison because the
marriage age in nebraska is at least 17 years of age. Their attorney
argued that the men didn't know
about the law and that they were merely following their religious
custom of courtship and marriage.
Do they really do such things in today's Iraq? " - Abdul Abdi
Pedophile ?
What are the essential features of pedophilia.? Professors of
psychiatry, Harold I.Kaplan MD and
Benjamin J.Sadock MD. of New York University Medical School states the
essential features to
1.Identification with and narcissistic investment in immature sexual
objects. Muhammad's infatuation
and relationship with Aisha fits this criterion. And Mohammad was vain
too - he liked to use
perfume and dye his hair (even as an old man).
2. Control, domination and seduction of children. A slight
recalcitrance on the part of his wives
was met by intolerant threats like: "if he (Muhammad) divorce you,
(Allah) will give him in your
place wives better than you, submissive, faithful, obedient, penitent,
adorers, fasters, widows
and virgins." [K 66.5]
3. Sexual activity with children is preferential and occur repeatedly.
Aisha was ever present, right
up to his last fatal breath and he preferred spending his nights with
her. Aisha became
Muhammad's favorites wife. And the sexuality in the relationship was
predominant. [Sahih Bukhari
4.270,3:36,7:6,3:148,3:149,3:150,7:142,IbnSa'd 1pg165]
Is menses necessary indicator of sexual maturity ? Sexual maturity is
NOT PURELY RELATED TO MENSES
as for some peculiar reasons many Muslims have tried to say.
In the first place having or not having menses is not the criterion
for sexual maturity, and thus of
pedophilic behaviour. We have cases here, of abducted girls, 12, 13,
14, well past their mens, and
yet preferred by pedophiles as sexual objects.
Besides when Aisha was about 4-5 years old Muhammad started dreaming
of a union with her [Sahih
Bukhari 5:235]- I am sure Ayesha was not menstruating then . Or do
Arab girls menstruate at the
age of 4-5 ?
Chapter Al-Imran
5:104 Let there arise out of you a Nation of people inviting to all
that is good (Islam),
enjoying Al-Ma'ruf (i.e. Islamic Monotheism & all that Islam orders
one to do) and forbidding
Al-Munkar (Polytheism & all that Islam has forbiden), And it is they
who are the successful.
6:105 And be not as those who divided and differed after the clear
proofs had come to
them.(Allowing homosexuality & all kind of immoralities). It is they
for whom there is an
awful torment.
7:106 On the Day (Djugement Day) when some faces will become white and
some faces will become
black; as for those whose faces will become black (To them will be
said):"Did you reject Faith
after accepting it? Then taste the torment (in Hell) for rejecting it.
8:107 And for those whose faces will become white, they will be in
Allah's Mercy (Paradise),
therein they shall dwell forever.
9:108 These are the verses of Allah; We recite them to you (O
Muhammad) in truth, and Allah wills
no injustice to Al-Alamin (Mankind & Jinn world).
interesting article

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