Discussion:
The Misrepresentation of the Jewish Communities/Settlements
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Dana
2004-10-25 02:00:53 UTC
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http://www.freeman.org/m_online/oct04/ettinger.htm
The Misrepresentation of the Jewish Communities/Settlements in Judea
Samaria, Gaza and the Golan Heights (I)
by Yoram Ettinger

1. Are settlements a cause for the Arab/Palestinian-Israeli conflict?
Arab/Palestinian wars on the Jewish State erupted irrespective of the
presence/absence of Jewish communities in Judea & Samaria (J&S), Gaza or
Golan. They were established -- on 2% of J&S and Gaza area -- following the
1967 War, which erupted following the establishment of the PLO (1964),
succeeding the wars of 1956 and 1948/9 and the sustained campaign of
Palestinian terror, which was launched in 1929, with the massacre of
Hebron's Jewish community and the expulsion of Gaza's Jewish community, the
1929, 1936 and 1948 decimation of Gush Etzion's Jewish communities and the
1948 dismantling of Kfar Darom in the Gaza Strip.
2. Are settlements an obstacle to peace? Why would the dismantling of Jewish
communities in Gaza and J&S promote peace, while the dismantling of Arab
communities in Israel violate human rights?! The 1993 Oslo Accord does not
restrict settlement activity. If 250,000 Jews -- among 2.6MN Palestinians in
J&S and Gaza -- constitute an obstacle to peace, how does one refer to 1.3MN
Israeli Arabs among 5.5MN Jews? A super obstacle to peace?! If the 1.3MN
Israeli Arabs represent peaceful coexistence, why would 250,000 Jews in J&S,
Gaza and Golan be an obstacle to peace?! According to Israel's law, the
establishment of Jewish communities of J&S and Gaza cannot utilize private
Arab land, and cannot displace any Arab.
3. Settlements are the litmus test for -- and spur to -- peace. Hope for
peace and the uprooting of Jewish communities in J&S and Gaza constitute an
oxymoron. If 2.6MN Palestinians cannot tolerate 250,000 Jews in their midst,
what do they mean by peaceful coexistence?! The venomous Palestinian/Arab
opposition to Jewish presence in their midst -- featuring heavily in their
formal education, clergy and media systems -- reflects an inherent long-term
ideology/strategy. It has been the root cause of the Palestinian-Israeli
conflict and of anti-Jewish Palestinian terrorism. Why would the West
tolerate Judenrein Arab areas?! Palestinians should know that preoccupation
with terror would yield more Jewish communities, thus taxing Palestinian
negotiation posture. Freezing Jewish settlements would remove a chief
Palestinian incentive to negotiate.
4. Would the dismantling of settlements ease the conflict? The
Palestinian-Israeli conflict has not been territorial, nor has it been
driven by despair. The 1993 Oslo Accord provided the PLO/PA with
unprecedented hope, territory and legitimacy, which produced unprecedented
terrorism. PM Barak offer to evacuate 98% of J&S and Gaza triggered the
current war. The conflict has been nurtured by the Palestinian/Arab aim to
eradicate sovereign Jewish (or any other minority) presence in the Mideast,
and by their hope for Jewish surrender. The uprooting of Jewish communities,
in a deterrence-driven-peace region, would fuel, rather than subdue,
Palestinian terrorism.
5. Are settlements required for Israel's security? The mountain ridges of
J&S constitute the "Golan Heights" of Jerusalem, Tel Aviv and Haifa. Most
settlements are located in strategic areas, controlling critical
transportation arteries and hill tops, protecting 40% of Israel's water
resources, constraining and deterring terrorist maneuverability and
bolstering Israel's determination to hold on to the vital area. Gaza's Kfar
Darom and Netzarim were established, in 1967, per IDF insistence. It was
consistent with the late Chairman of the Joint C-O-S General Earl Wheeler's
recommendation that Israel's control of the entire Gaza (139sqm) would
"reduce hostile potential by a factor of 5 (recruitment, training,
operations, incitement, etc.)." They constitute an outpost, absorbing
terrorism, which would otherwise hit Israel's "soft belly". The 1993/4
disengagement from Gaza required three times as many IDF soldiers around and
inside Gaza.
6. Do Jews have the right to settle J&S, Gaza and Golan? The 450 Arab
villages of J&S bear Biblical names (Anatot is Anata, Haramah is A-Ram, Gilo
is Beit Jallah, Gofna is Jifna, Levonah is Luban, etc.). Jewish communities
in J&S, Gaza and Golan have renewed ancient Jewish presence, which was
violently suspended by Arab and prior aggression. Israel's Founding Fathers
were not inspired by the coastal plain (which played a minimal role in
forging the Jewish identity), but rather by J&S, Gaza and Golan, which
constitute the Cradle of Jewish History. Ben Gurion stated: "The Jewish
passport has been the Bible." Statesmen do not negotiate away their Cradle
of History, lest they forfeit their national future!
--
Atheism teaches that there is no God, hence no God-given rights. That
ideology coupled with a system that believed in the superiority of the state
at the expense of the individual was murderously synergistic.
Don W. McCollough
2004-10-26 10:14:01 UTC
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"Dana" <***@&^&.com> wrote in message

What's you last name Dana?

What religion are you? (if any)
Dana
2004-10-26 20:11:36 UTC
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Post by Don W. McCollough
What's you last name Dana?
None of your concern.
But I will add I am American
Post by Don W. McCollough
What religion are you? (if any)
None of your business.
Don W. McCollough
2004-10-28 12:01:21 UTC
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Post by Dana
Post by Don W. McCollough
What's you last name Dana?
None of your concern.
But I will add I am American
Post by Don W. McCollough
What religion are you? (if any)
None of your business.
figures. Another anonymous coward hiding behind a keyboard spamming
usenet with hate literature.
Dana
2004-10-29 02:46:53 UTC
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Post by Don W. McCollough
Post by Dana
Post by Don W. McCollough
What's you last name Dana?
None of your concern.
But I will add I am American
Post by Don W. McCollough
What religion are you? (if any)
None of your business.
figures. Another anonymous coward hiding behind a keyboard spamming
usenet with hate literature.
Yawn.
Exposing radical/militant Islam as the threat it is, is not hate literature.
Paulo Gomes Jardim
2004-10-27 04:05:52 UTC
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Post by Don W. McCollough
What's you last name Dana?
"International" ;)
--
" Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." --
Horacio
Dana
2004-10-27 03:46:16 UTC
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Post by Paulo Gomes Jardim
Post by Don W. McCollough
What's you last name Dana?
"International" ;)
Raffaniello.
Post by Paulo Gomes Jardim
--
" Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." --
Horacio
Paulo Gomes Jardim
2004-11-05 05:00:59 UTC
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Post by Dana
Post by Paulo Gomes Jardim
Post by Don W. McCollough
What's you last name Dana?
"International" ;)
Raffaniello.
This Dana Raffaniello?
http://www.refreq.com/rfworld/info.html

Nice to meet you, Dana, then. :)
--
" Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." --
Horacio
Dana
2004-10-29 08:01:22 UTC
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Post by Don W. McCollough
What's you last name Dana?
My nationality is American.
Post by Don W. McCollough
What religion are you? (if any)
That is more complicated. Lets just say I am a Natural Law Follower, who
believes a creator created the Big Bang and all that has resulted.
To me religion is between the individual and his/her God. I am not overly
fond of organized religion as I do not believe that any one person can tell
another how to worship.
My moral code is that man should not harm man in any way, That all of
mankind is equal, and we all have the same fundamental rights.

Below from the DOI describes my view to a T. I do not think mankind has
written anything better in regards to government and relations to mankind.

WHEN in the Course of human Events,
it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands which
have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the
Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of
Nature's God entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind
requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the
Separation.
WE hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal,
that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that
among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness -- That to secure
these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just
Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of
Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People
to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its
Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to
them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence,
indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed
for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn,
that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than
to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed.
But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the
same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is
their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide
new Guards for their future Security.
pearl
2004-10-26 14:37:46 UTC
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Post by Dana
http://www.freeman.org/m_online/oct04/ettinger.htm
The Misrepresentation of the Jewish Communities/Settlements in Judea
Samaria, Gaza and the Golan Heights (I)
by Yoram Ettinger
6. Do Jews have the right to settle J&S, Gaza and Golan? The 450 Arab
villages of J&S bear Biblical names (Anatot is Anata, Haramah is A-Ram, Gilo
is Beit Jallah, Gofna is Jifna, Levonah is Luban, etc.). Jewish communities
in J&S, Gaza and Golan have renewed ancient Jewish presence, which was
violently suspended by Arab and prior aggression. Israel's Founding Fathers
were not inspired by the coastal plain (which played a minimal role in
forging the Jewish identity), but rather by J&S, Gaza and Golan, which
constitute the Cradle of Jewish History. Ben Gurion stated: "The Jewish
passport has been the Bible." Statesmen do not negotiate away their Cradle
of History, lest they forfeit their national future!
'[..] and they fought against many nations and actual wars
also to establish their state, .. that is completely forbidden.
And the Avnei Nezer also agrees that the oaths are a major
practical issue [Responsa Avnei Nezer Yoreh Deah 454]
that shouldn't be taken lightly. ............'
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/articles/truejudaism.htm
amiro
2004-10-27 00:42:12 UTC
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meddling with history will only continue this war.
to solve the conflict, we must deal with the present.

the ancient jewish community in hebron was massacred by arabs in the
1920's, the survivoring refugees moved to live alogside with the
zionist settlers and live today in israel (lod, or lydda, where arabs
who didnt attempt to fight israel in 1948 still live there as israeli
civillians), while the infamous hebron settlers want to reclaim the
houses of the ancient jewish community back from palestinian invaders.

in order to achieve peace, the palestinians must abandon their 'right
of return' (at least the majority that participated in the attack
against israel in 1948) and the jewish settlers have to get out of
hebron, even the ancient jewish community must be forfeit.

as a secular israeli that served the army and works hard to pay taxes
for the settlers and the army, i believe i represent the majority of
israelies with 'central' political view, and this is what we want to
do, and it shall be done.
Dana
2004-10-27 00:29:18 UTC
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Post by amiro
meddling with history will only continue this war.
to solve the conflict, we must deal with the present.
On this I agree.
There is no way we can go back in time and undo what happened.
But by knowing history we can recognize that a mistake was made, and that
there is very few if any people around today who made that mistake. So it
would be up to the present generations to work out a deal that both sides
can agree to
Post by amiro
the ancient jewish community in hebron was massacred by arabs in the
1920's, the survivoring refugees moved to live alogside with the
zionist settlers and live today in israel (lod, or lydda, where arabs
who didnt attempt to fight israel in 1948 still live there as israeli
civillians), while the infamous hebron settlers want to reclaim the
houses of the ancient jewish community back from palestinian invaders.
in order to achieve peace, the palestinians must abandon their 'right
of return' (at least the majority that participated in the attack
against israel in 1948) and the jewish settlers have to get out of
hebron, even the ancient jewish community must be forfeit.
as a secular israeli that served the army and works hard to pay taxes
for the settlers and the army, i believe i represent the majority of
israelies with 'central' political view, and this is what we want to
do, and it shall be done.
Very well put.
And very correct. For any solution to work in this section of the world,
both sides will have to compromise in order to reach a fair outcome.
It would be wonderful if a secular state could be formed with both sides
included, that will more than likely never happen.
Hence to divide the land, compromises will have to be made by both sides.
alpha
2004-11-05 19:58:50 UTC
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Post by Dana
http://www.freeman.org/m_online/oct04/ettinger.htm
The Misrepresentation of the Jewish Communities/Settlements in Judea
Samaria, Gaza and the Golan Heights (I)
by Yoram Ettinger
1. Are settlements a cause for the Arab/Palestinian-Israeli conflict?
Arab/Palestinian wars on the Jewish State erupted irrespective of the
presence/absence of Jewish communities in Judea & Samaria (J&S), Gaza or
Golan. They were established -- on 2% of J&S and Gaza area -- following the
1967 War, which erupted following the establishment of the PLO (1964),
succeeding the wars of 1956 and 1948/9 and the sustained campaign of
Palestinian terror, which was launched in 1929, with the massacre of
Hebron's Jewish community and the expulsion of Gaza's Jewish community, the
1929, 1936 and 1948 decimation of Gush Etzion's Jewish communities and the
1948 dismantling of Kfar Darom in the Gaza Strip.
2. Are settlements an obstacle to peace? Why would the dismantling of Jewish
communities in Gaza and J&S promote peace, while the dismantling of Arab
communities in Israel violate human rights?! The 1993 Oslo Accord does not
restrict settlement activity. If 250,000 Jews -- among 2.6MN Palestinians in
J&S and Gaza -- constitute an obstacle to peace, how does one refer to 1.3MN
Israeli Arabs among 5.5MN Jews? A super obstacle to peace?! If the 1.3MN
Israeli Arabs represent peaceful coexistence, why would 250,000 Jews in J&S,
Gaza and Golan be an obstacle to peace?! According to Israel's law, the
establishment of Jewish communities of J&S and Gaza cannot utilize private
Arab land, and cannot displace any Arab.
3. Settlements are the litmus test for -- and spur to -- peace. Hope for
peace and the uprooting of Jewish communities in J&S and Gaza constitute an
oxymoron. If 2.6MN Palestinians cannot tolerate 250,000 Jews in their midst,
what do they mean by peaceful coexistence?! The venomous Palestinian/Arab
opposition to Jewish presence in their midst -- featuring heavily in their
formal education, clergy and media systems -- reflects an inherent long-term
ideology/strategy. It has been the root cause of the Palestinian-Israeli
conflict and of anti-Jewish Palestinian terrorism. Why would the West
tolerate Judenrein Arab areas?! Palestinians should know that preoccupation
with terror would yield more Jewish communities, thus taxing Palestinian
negotiation posture. Freezing Jewish settlements would remove a chief
Palestinian incentive to negotiate.
4. Would the dismantling of settlements ease the conflict? The
Palestinian-Israeli conflict has not been territorial, nor has it been
driven by despair. The 1993 Oslo Accord provided the PLO/PA with
unprecedented hope, territory and legitimacy, which produced unprecedented
terrorism. PM Barak offer to evacuate 98% of J&S and Gaza triggered the
current war. The conflict has been nurtured by the Palestinian/Arab aim to
eradicate sovereign Jewish (or any other minority) presence in the Mideast,
and by their hope for Jewish surrender. The uprooting of Jewish communities,
in a deterrence-driven-peace region, would fuel, rather than subdue,
Palestinian terrorism.
5. Are settlements required for Israel's security? The mountain ridges of
J&S constitute the "Golan Heights" of Jerusalem, Tel Aviv and Haifa. Most
settlements are located in strategic areas, controlling critical
transportation arteries and hill tops, protecting 40% of Israel's water
resources, constraining and deterring terrorist maneuverability and
bolstering Israel's determination to hold on to the vital area. Gaza's Kfar
Darom and Netzarim were established, in 1967, per IDF insistence. It was
consistent with the late Chairman of the Joint C-O-S General Earl Wheeler's
recommendation that Israel's control of the entire Gaza (139sqm) would
"reduce hostile potential by a factor of 5 (recruitment, training,
operations, incitement, etc.)." They constitute an outpost, absorbing
terrorism, which would otherwise hit Israel's "soft belly". The 1993/4
disengagement from Gaza required three times as many IDF soldiers around and
inside Gaza.
6. Do Jews have the right to settle J&S, Gaza and Golan? The 450 Arab
villages of J&S bear Biblical names (Anatot is Anata, Haramah is A-Ram, Gilo
is Beit Jallah, Gofna is Jifna, Levonah is Luban, etc.). Jewish communities
in J&S, Gaza and Golan have renewed ancient Jewish presence, which was
violently suspended by Arab and prior aggression. Israel's Founding Fathers
were not inspired by the coastal plain (which played a minimal role in
forging the Jewish identity), but rather by J&S, Gaza and Golan, which
constitute the Cradle of Jewish History. Ben Gurion stated: "The Jewish
passport has been the Bible." Statesmen do not negotiate away their Cradle
of History, lest they forfeit their national future!
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Please Note before reading this report.... President Bush Supports
this country with billions of dollars every year. If you doubt the
authenticity of this report you can visit the amnesty international
web site (the worlds largest and most respected human rights
organization) and find this press release which is labeled "05/10/2004
Israel/Occupied Territories: Excessive use of force"...Go to Amnestys
site and click on the library tab, then select "Israel" from the
country drop down list and you will find the link above listed on the
page.

AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL
PRESS RELEASE


AI Index: MDE 15/095/2004 (Public)
News Service No: 247
5 October 2004

Israel/Occupied Territories: Excessive use of force
Amnesty International is concerned about the deterioration of the
human rights and humanitarian situation as a result of the Israeli
army incursion in the Jabaliya refugee camp and surrounding areas in
the northern Gaza Strip (including sectors in the nearby towns of Beit
Hanoun and Beit Lahiya).

In the past week (since the evening of Tuesday 28 September) more than
70 Palestinians have been killed, more than a third of whom were
unarmed and including some 20 children. Hundreds of others have been
injured.

The Israeli army has repeatedly used excessive force, including heavy
shelling from tanks and helicopter gunships. Experience has shown that
the use of such weapons and the manner in which they have been
deployed by the army in densely populated residential areas (the
Jabaliya refugee camp is one of the most densely populated places in
the world, with more than 100,000 Palestinians living in less than two
square kilometres), invariably results in a high rate of death and
injury of bystanders and people who are not involved in armed
confrontation. These tactics betray a lack of respect for fundamental
human rights principles, including the right to life.

In certain areas the Israeli army has also unlawfully destroyed or
damaged homes, schools, water and electricity networks, roads, and
other crucial infrastructure. Israeli forces have hindered access to
medical services -- not only for those injured in the military
operation but also those who need medical care for other reasons,
including women who need to give birth. When able to reach those in
need (they often cannot reach those in need of medical treatment)
ambulances have on several occasions come under Israeli army fire.

Strict closures have also been imposed throughout the Gaza Strip in
the past week, cutting the Gaza Strip into four isolated sections,
paralyzing all aspects of life, with people unable to reach their
workplace and students unable to reach the universities. In addition
schools in the area besieged by the Israeli army in the northern Gaza
Strip are closed. Thousands of people living in the besieged areas are
also experiencing shortages of food and other essential goods.

Amnesty International is calling on the Israeli authority to:

· put an immediate end to the use of excessive lethal force
· put an immediate end to unlawful destruction and damage of
Palestinian homes
and properties, roads and other infrastructure.
· allow immediate access to medical care and other essential services
for the
Palestinian population in the affected areas.
· respect the right to freedom of movement for the Palestinian
population elsewhere
in the Gaza Strip.

Amnesty International also calls on Palestinian armed groups not to
initiate attacks and armed confrontation with Israeli troops from
amongst residential areas, as this puts the local residents at risk of
return fire and retaliation from the Israeli army, and reiterates its
call on Palestinian armed groups to put an end to attacks directed
against Israeli civilians in Israel or in the Occupied Territories.

(Notice how Amnesty International (which is the worlds largest and
most respected human rights investigation group) deliberately refuses
to condemn Palestinians from attacking Israeli military or government
targets because they are fully aware of the true situation the
Palestinians are in).

That's it Mr Bush...Turn your blind eye again (50 years in a row
now)...tell the Israeli's they are being a bit too naughty and pay the
Palestinian state idea a bit of lip service and sit on the fence...and
people wont notice you are actually supporting an oppressive state.

Is it any wonder why America is being targeted by terrorists when
America gives around 50% $Billions of its annual foreign aid to this
country that has one of the worst human rights records on the planet.

Fact!...The real reason America supports Israel is because the
Evangelical Christian Movements belief is that Israels existence is
clearing the way for the second coming of Jesus in the holy land..
Politicians want their votes because they are a huge percentage of
voters in America, and upsetting this group would mean risking loosing
the presidency....it all comes down to supporting whoever wins you the
election and nothing what so ever to do with supporting human rights
and justice in the world..

To the passerby it seems as though the Palestine/Israel conflict is a
conflict of two sides.......at least that's the way the media often
portrays it. This is true to some extent....you can always find war
criminals on both sides of any world conflict.....I myself have in the
past lived and worked in many parts of the west bank, Palestine, and
Israel for a number of years and felt compelled to write this article
for the benefit of all those concerned.

The reason i am posting this letter is that i hope somebody of
influence reading it will take my suggestion and act on it.

There is no doubt that when watching the news on the conflict most
viewers are left with the impression "It's a war of two
sides"......and this is the problem......giving the general public a
TRUE picture of what is happening is impossible due to both sides
continually playing the blame game in the media refusing to see the
sufferings of the other side.....result:...people are left with the
impression, "I guess they are probably as bad as each other"...This
statement is not completely untrue….nobody can justify the murder of
Israeli children by the use of a suicide bomber nor can Israel justify
the state murder of hundreds of Palestinian children each year and
call it self defense against terrorism. Like I said before, there are
always war crimes on both sides of every conflict. But what stands out
the most about this conflict is the disturbingly unbalanced body count
figures published annually by the UN. Year after year the Israeli
military is killing 4 times more people than casualtys caused by
Palestinian violence.

Instead of Palestinian organizations putting up posters and flyers
stating "apartied - bring down the wall etc"......why not focus PR
campaigns to include the most UNARGUABLE FACTS!.....This and only this
will turn heads and change public opinion for the better...forget the
injustices and sentiment for a minute and focus on what will win the
hearts and minds of the masses…UNARGUABLE FACTS that relate to the
values of all people.

I am not up to date with the latest body count figures but i am
informed that UN recent figures state a ratio of aprox 3-5 dead
Palestinians to every Israeli, and year after year this ratio
continues.

When you consider that Israel is as well armed technologically as
the Americans, and that the Palestinians are....well lets just
say....slingshots made out of coca cola cans and the odd AK47 and home
made mortar don't do too much damage to a squadron of apache
helicopter gunships supplied by America.

With the above in mind, a rational person will tell you that if two
Unequally armed armies clash in a battle: The WORST CASE SENARIO is
that the most well armed side will suffer equal losses to that which
it inflicts....In such a scenario, at best a case of "SELF DEFENCE"
and "Minimum Force Necessary" might be claimed…but this scenario is
very rare and unlikely in warfare and only comes about when the
dominant army makes a serious strategic error.

If you found an adult dressed in armour holding high tech weapons
standing in a room with four dead children with pea shooters laying at
his feet and he told you he was forced to defend himself…would you
accept this?

When Israel is killing Palestinians at a ratio of approximately for
times as many and they are far better armed how can they seriously
claim self defense against terrorism???.....I was always taught that
in order to take the moral high ground and claim self defense you must
use the "Minimum Force Necessary"..Do these figures speak "Minimum
Force Necessary"???

In the civilized world, when a government is faced with a hostile
force the police are called in to form a barricade, if this proves
insufficient to keep the peace water cannons are used, then onto tear
gas, and if this still is not enough to control rioters the police may
use rubber bullets to disable there targets. In the extreme case
police may resort to live bullets and shoot at the legs…and in the
extremely rare case when this may fail to stop the most determined
opponent…shoot to kill if life is directly threatened. (This is the
definition of "Minimum force Necessary"

In Israel when a Palestinian attack takes place, the Israeli
Policy is to punish all Palestinians instead of targeting the few
responsible. All Palestinian towns and villages are put under curfew
and soldiers are given orders to shoot anybody seen walking the
streets. The familys of those responsible for attacks will have their
homes bulldozed as a deterent. As well as this the Israeli military
orders strikes with casualty figures in excess of those received and
in turn the Palestinians return a strike and the cycle of violence
continues with both sides making statements like "our attack was in
response to their attack". Which side is acting in self defence to an
attack received depends on your perspective.

In one recent year there were around 400 Israelis killed by
Palestinian militants. This is indeed a tragedy, however it is
dwarfed by the fact that an equal number of Palestinians were killed
by Israeli forces in the same period all of whom were children under
the age of ten. (categorized as terrorists by Isreal) and guilty of
nothing more than throwing rocks at Israeli soldiers.

I'm not sure how to put the above argument all in one nicely
designed poster and flyer, but if you can I think it would have a real
impact, my proposal is this:

1. State UNARGUABLE unbiased reputable source figures (like the UN),
2. State a worst case scenario argument.
3. Close with the question: "Are these the figures of a country in
self defense against terrorism or is this genocide?"

The above ingrediance address the issues in a simplistic easy to
understand way for those with no background knowledge of the conflict
and also leaves little room for a counter argument response from pro
Israel groups. The truth always hurts the most.

Stating Logic & Truth, and backing it up with UN Statistics is the
way to turn heads.....post it up in every tube station and rail
station north to south, and give out thousands of flyers with this
argument in print ....i believe it will not fail to win the hearts and
minds of the masses.

I am not in contact with any pro Palestinian organizations but
would much appreciate it if readers can forward this idea to every
campaign office they know and also to the appropriate local and
national government office and any media/magazine/newsgroup address
you can get your hands on....i would love to see it posted from north
to south.

To any Americans reading this article, you should be aware that your
government supports the state of Israel with billions of dollars of
aid each year ( approximately 50% of your foreign aid budget diverted
from people truly in need) because it is claimed "Israel is the only
democracy in the middle east", Israel is a democracy only by name but
far away from it in nature, the figures speak the truth. Please write
a letter to your senator and president asking him if these are the
figures of a democratic government in the Middle East, and hopefully
with a change in America's policy towards the middle east we can start
to see a reduction in the feelings of resentment towards America in
the muslim world.

When the world trade center was targeted on September 11th, America
was told the reason for it was that "These terrorists are fighting
against freedom itself", Ask yourself this…..If you were to interview
any of the Sept 11th bombers do you really believe they would tell you
they hate freedom?, is there anybody in the world who will tell you
they hate freedom?….No is the simple answer…..Or is it more likely
that these people or members of there family have in someway been
victims of Americas middle east policy's which have filled them with
misguided resentment and hate towards all Americans?………..Your
government would prefer you to think that these people just wake up in
the morning and feel like killing civilians for no reason other than
they hate people being free.

In my travels across the middle east prior to Sept 11th , I had the
opportunity to ask many muslims why they are so angry towards America,
the response was always the same again and again…..ISRAEL IS
OPPRESSING OUR FELLOW MUSLIMS!..and America is supporting their human
rights abuses with financial and military support……..

For Fifty years now the United Nations has declared that Israel has
stolen and is illegally occupying the Palestinians land and that
Jerusalem is an illegally occupied city and the vast majority of
countries around the world support this view and call for Israel to
withdraw itself from Palestinian land year after year (accept
America). The American government has been ignoring this international
ruling by the UN for 50 years in a row despite the fact that the
largest human rights organization in the world Amnesty international
condemns Israel every year as having one of the worst human rights
records on the planet. America turns a blind eye again, fifty years in
a row now……

After the Sept 11th terrorist attack the American government chose
to solve this age old dispute by launching bombs, and in the process
has killed dozens of thousands of Iraqi soldiers who were simply
obeying orders to defend there country, as would any American. And
today the body count has reached over 1000 American soldiers killed
and rising fast, just under 6000 injured, and of course you have at
least another ten thousand dead Iraqi civilians to date and that's
after the major assault on Iraq had ended.

When confronted by any problem, there are always two ways to solve
it..The intelligent way or the primitive impulsive monkey way

1) With brute force and aggression (launch operation shock and ore on
Iraq and Afghanistan)…forgetting the philosophy that every action has
a reaction and sending the message America is not taking any
responsibility for its middle east policys of support for Israel and
infuriating the muslim world even more and setting America up for even
more future Sept 11th bombings and helping terrorist organizations to
recruit many more fighters.
2) Or the intelligent way, which is to look at the root cause of why
your attacker is angry and if necessary defuse the problem from its
source as well as stopping the cycle of violence.

Sadly George Bush chose the impulsive way. And has only made American
citizens even more vulnerable. How many people do you think there are
at this very moment plotting to strike American soil because of the
attack on Iraq?, The answer is plenty more than there were before Sept
11th, some will be stopped, but as in the case of Israels lesson. It's
impossible to stop them all. Especially when the bombers are prepared
to die to reach their targets.

If America is a truly democratic country, then it should respect
the views of the UN and the vast majority of the world in regard to
Israel….The world has voted in regard to Israel, Its time to listen to
the result.

IS THERE A LINK BETWEEN TERRORISM IN THE USA AND PALESTINE???

READ THE BIN LADEN QUOTES BELOW TAKEN FROM AL QAEDAS LATEST VIDEO TAPE
RELEASE SEEN ON CNN AND BBC NEWS (OCTOBER 2004) AND DECIDE FOR
YOURSELF:

"I tell you that security is a major pillar of human life. Free men do
not renounce their security, irrespective of (US President George W)
Bush's claims that we hate freedom"

"I swear we never thought of attacking the towers, but when we saw the
injustice and arbitrariness of the US-Israeli alliance against our
brethren in Palestine and Lebanon, it became too much and the idea
came to me."

"The events that affected me directly go back to 1982 ... when America
gave the Israelis the green light to invade Lebanon, with the backing
of the US Sixth Fleet. It is difficult to describe what I felt in
these painful moments, but it created an overwhelming feeling of
refusal of injustice and a compelling determination to punish the
unjust. As I watched the destroyed towers in Lebanon, it occurred to
me that the unjust should suffer the same, that the towers in America
must be destroyed so that America gets a taste of what we went
through, so that it will stop killing our children and women"

Your security is not in the hands of (Democratic presidential
candidate) John Kerry, Bush or Al-Qaeda. Your security is in your own
hands. Any (presidential) mandate which does not play havoc with our
security would automatically ensure its own security."

PLEASE NOTE: I in no way condone the actions of September the 11th or
Palestinian attacks on civilians…..this article was written to point
out the huge imbalance of acts of violence and Americas miss guided
middle east policy and the consequences it has brought on the world.

A FINAL NOTE:……The Israeli position in regards to peace is "surrender
to our will and occupation or its war" Israel believes that the Jews
have a religious right to take over Palestinian land because the Jews
occupied this piece of land some 2000 years ago. If the world were to
operate around these rules the British would have a right to invade
and take back America because the British used to occupy America only
a few hundred years ago…and of course would punish any American
terrorists who have a problem with that. The Israeli government say
they are all for peace negotiations and are prepared to talk about
withdrawal from Palestinian land. At the same time, the government is
spending millions building new Israeli housing settlements on
Palestinian land…..If Israel has the intention to withdraw…would they
still be spending millions on new building developments only to have
to abandon them later???….I think this is what George Bush would call
a "no brainer". Israel Has built these settlements because they can
use this as a bargaining chip in negotiating a settlement…… saying it
is not reasonable to ask so many Israelis to leave their new homes.
Plain and simply it is an illegal land grab and has been ruled illegal
internationally.

The Palestinian position is the request that the UN resolutions that
have already been voted for by the international community are upheld
and the Israeli government be forced by UN sanctions to withdraw their
troops back into their own borders and land given to them by the UN
(Is this not a peaceful and reasonable request when all Palestinians
are asking for is that international law and voting be upheld?)
…….Once again like with the Iraq war the American government has
ignored these UN rulings and only follows the rules of the UN when
they feel like it….A very dangerous example to set for the
international community. Why should other countries obey the UN when
those with great power don't?

If you have mass mailing software please put it to good use and mass
mail the Christian evangelical movement, pro Palestine campaign
groups, government lobbying groups, and media. I give my full
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charge for both profit or campaigning reasons.

Regards…….A.B

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